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I think people need to acknowledge that PTSD in slaughterhouse workers is not because “:( they kill moo moos all day” and more because when you’re working with large meat cutting machines accidents happen

It’s the same as any manufacturing type job

And it’s not even close to one of the top professions discussed by experts when workplace PTSD is brought up

Go on a meat plant floor, you see people laughing and chatting while cutting meat

They’re just normal people doing their jobs prepping food

They deserve to be kept safe and absolutely no shortcuts should be taken when it comes to that but I’m just sick of peoples unrealistic idea of it

Yeah, the Jungle is much more about the terror of how the workers are treated rather than the fact animals die. Upton Sinclair was a leftist not an animal rights activist.

Yeah consider that slaughterhouse work is considered undesirable work and you’re spending long hours on your feet in a hot, noisy, smelly environment where you’re being exploited for your labor by owners of food corporations and thats where the bad mental health comes from and not because “if you see an animal die you will get ptsd”

Are you guys actually joking?

You dont get PTSD (or PITS, which is the more common trauma resulting from slaughterhouse work) that consistently from uncomfortable work conditions. It might be a contributing factor, but why are those two things way more prevalent in slaughterhouses than other dangerous line workers?

It is literally clinically proven and observed to be developed through repeated butchering and killing of animals on a mass intimate scale which is then exacerbated by poor work conditions. Yes, the conditions are also shit, but they are no shitter than other line factories which have much lower rates of PITS and lower rates of subsequent sexual and violent crime in their employees.

I get that shifting the blame away from yourselves and defending the slaughter industry is cool on this website, but some things you guys say are just so utterly ill-informed and ridiculous

Read the article below. It explains the effect slaughterhouses have had on communities, such as causing increases of sexual and violent crimes among the employees, and how many people jump from animal abuse to human abuse much more easily after they’ve been slaughtering animals for hours a day

Watch anecdotal evidence and interviews online, of people who have walked away from job interviews or first time visits to slaughterhouses. Find your own articles if you dont trust mine, I’m very confident you will find lots of evidence that the mental damage is mostly due to the murder and butchering aspect.

Also, shifting the blame to the conditions doesnt make the industry any less terrible, because the cold, the tools, the speed, and injury are all directly cause by the type of work they have to carry out. The cold is for the meat, the tools used are to carve and kill, the speed is because of the demand from the public to get these meat products on their plate. Theres also a high rate of staff turnover and of people skipping work at abertoirs, so much so that it’s simply considered characteristic by some. And you would be good to note that the ones who stay in the job longer, as in any profession that treats employees this horrendously, are usually immigrants or those with a poorer education and financial background.

Defending this industry is bizarre, and actively trying to deflect the fact it causes traumas because of the nature of the job is a level of industry shilling I find it very hard to comprehend. There are so many studies, stories, interviews and articles from people saying that killing hundreds of living things face to face isnt good for your mental health. I’ve put a few here, I hope you read and do some more research of your own.

Slaughterhouses are horrific places and cause PTSD, PITS, sexual abuse, violent crimes, even dual personality disorders and a variety of other issues. This happens because no human was ever meant or evolved to kill hundreds of animals a day, or butcher their carcasses in conditions specifically designed to do it at a fast pace, with poor conditions.

It is simply not humane or acceptable. The only way to combat it is to stop demanding it

A Call to Action: Psychological Harm in Slaughterhouse Workers

BY MICHAEL LEBWOHL Source: Watershed Post “Down in the blood pit they say that the smell of blood makes you aggressive. And it does. You get

Yale Global Health Review

The harrowing psychological toll of slaughterhouse work

‘You feel isolated from society, not a part of it. Alone.'

Metro

Slaughtering for a living: A hermeneutic phenomenological perspective on the well-being of slaughterhouse employees

Slaughterhouses constitute a unique work setting exposing employees to particular physical and psychological health challenges. Research tha

PubMed Central (PMC)

Literally no one’s arguing that killing hundreds of animals a day is good for your mental health lol

Yes, but the two comments above mine and some in the notes literally say the negatives are because of conditions and not the killing of animals

People on family farms kill animals all the time, one of my best friends is an avid hunter, the open slaughter of animals in various communities around the world is not at all taboo like it is here. Veterinarians put down beloved pets every single day. My buddy the hunter has PTSD but it’s definitely not from hunting lol, if anything hunting helps his mental health. The act of killing animals ITSELF does not always cause PTSD, it’s actually a pretty normal activity for a lot of people.

Killing hundreds of them in one day while toiling under unsafe and exhausting work conditions for little pay? Yeah that’ll do it for sure. But nobody’s really defending that.

I just said this to OP, but family farm workers are an entirely different demographic to the average abattoir employee. And we arent talking about other cultures in other parts of the world, we are talking about the effects the trauma is having on western workers. Vets putting animals down out of medical necessity is a very different circumstance, and putting them down is commonly cited as the worst part of the job and extremely distressing. Idk if that causes vets issues but I wouldnt be shocked if it did

I was never saying anyone killing any animal caused PTSD. I was saying that the killing of animals is directly linked to slaughterhouse workers rates of PITS and PTSD

And the last bit, I dont see much of a difference between deflecting the real cause, and defending the act itself. But that could be a matter of inference. I’m not gonna reply again because its gonna be cluttering up peoples feeds at this point but if you want to discuss it more I’m happy to message about it

scoutandcowpany:

bigdoodoohead:

agro-carnist:

commiemartyrshighschool:

scoutandcowpany:

scoutandcowpany:

I think people need to acknowledge that PTSD in slaughterhouse workers is not because “:( they kill moo moos all day” and more because when you’re working with large meat cutting machines accidents happen

It’s the same as any manufacturing type job

And it’s not even close to one of the top professions discussed by experts when workplace PTSD is brought up

Go on a meat plant floor, you see people laughing and chatting while cutting meat

They’re just normal people doing their jobs prepping food

They deserve to be kept safe and absolutely no shortcuts should be taken when it comes to that but I’m just sick of peoples unrealistic idea of it

Yeah, the Jungle is much more about the terror of how the workers are treated rather than the fact animals die. Upton Sinclair was a leftist not an animal rights activist.

Yeah consider that slaughterhouse work is considered undesirable work and you’re spending long hours on your feet in a hot, noisy, smelly environment where you’re being exploited for your labor by owners of food corporations and thats where the bad mental health comes from and not because “if you see an animal die you will get ptsd”

Are you guys actually joking?

You dont get PTSD (or PITS, which is the more common trauma resulting from slaughterhouse work) that consistently from uncomfortable work conditions. It might be a contributing factor, but why are those two things way more prevalent in slaughterhouses than other dangerous line workers?

It is literally clinically proven and observed to be developed through repeated butchering and killing of animals on a mass intimate scale which is then exacerbated by poor work conditions. Yes, the conditions are also shit, but they are no shitter than other line factories which have much lower rates of PITS and lower rates of subsequent sexual and violent crime in their employees.

I get that shifting the blame away from yourselves and defending the slaughter industry is cool on this website, but some things you guys say are just so utterly ill-informed and ridiculous

Read the article below. It explains the effect slaughterhouses have had on communities, such as causing increases of sexual and violent crimes among the employees, and how many people jump from animal abuse to human abuse much more easily after they’ve been slaughtering animals for hours a day

Watch anecdotal evidence and interviews online, of people who have walked away from job interviews or first time visits to slaughterhouses. Find your own articles if you dont trust mine, I’m very confident you will find lots of evidence that the mental damage is mostly due to the murder and butchering aspect.

Also, shifting the blame to the conditions doesnt make the industry any less terrible, because the cold, the tools, the speed, and injury are all directly cause by the type of work they have to carry out. The cold is for the meat, the tools used are to carve and kill, the speed is because of the demand from the public to get these meat products on their plate. Theres also a high rate of staff turnover and of people skipping work at abertoirs, so much so that it’s simply considered characteristic by some. And you would be good to note that the ones who stay in the job longer, as in any profession that treats employees this horrendously, are usually immigrants or those with a poorer education and financial background.

Defending this industry is bizarre, and actively trying to deflect the fact it causes traumas because of the nature of the job is a level of industry shilling I find it very hard to comprehend. There are so many studies, stories, interviews and articles from people saying that killing hundreds of living things face to face isnt good for your mental health. I’ve put a few here, I hope you read and do some more research of your own.

Slaughterhouses are horrific places and cause PTSD, PITS, sexual abuse, violent crimes, even dual personality disorders and a variety of other issues. This happens because no human was ever meant or evolved to kill hundreds of animals a day, or butcher their carcasses in conditions specifically designed to do it at a fast pace, with poor conditions.

It is simply not humane or acceptable. The only way to combat it is to stop demanding it

A Call to Action: Psychological Harm in Slaughterhouse Workers

BY MICHAEL LEBWOHL Source: Watershed Post “Down in the blood pit they say that the smell of blood makes you aggressive. And it does. You get

Yale Global Health Review

The harrowing psychological toll of slaughterhouse work

‘You feel isolated from society, not a part of it. Alone.'

Metro

Slaughtering for a living: A hermeneutic phenomenological perspective on the well-being of slaughterhouse employees

Slaughterhouses constitute a unique work setting exposing employees to particular physical and psychological health challenges. Research tha

PubMed Central (PMC)

Plenty of farmers, especially those who raise chickens or rabbits or some other small critters will have family get-togethers on processing day where everyone works in an assembly-line fashion doing their own separate part in the butchering process. There are a whole lot of YouTube videos on this very thing. An extended family can easily do hundreds of chickens or rabbits a day. And it’s not traumatizing for them.

Not every part of slaughterhouse work is killing. In fact the majority of slaughterhouse work ISN’T killing.

It’s a giant assembly line. There’s one person who’s the designated knocker who’s in charge of stunning (which is just a two second albeit repetitive motion as each animal enters the stun box) then there’s bleeders (talking cows and pigs here). Then everything after that is skinning, gutting, and eventually just cutting meat, which at that point doesn’t even resemble an animal, it just looks like meat. One person just does one task on every animal and then the next person does their task and so on. For poultry it’s mostly automated iirc so it’s mostly just cutting and packaging meat there. I had to work a shift processing chickens for a class once, I basically plucked any feathers left over after they went in the tumbler then passed the (headless, practically ready for plastic wrap) chicken to the next person

The problem with thinking killing animals is the problem is that most slaughterhouse work isn’t killing animals. It’s cutting meat. And gutting/butchering/processing isn’t exactly uncommon experience.

Sure it’s not something everyone could handle but I seriously don’t think it’s the killing specifically seeing as it’s such a small part of the process.

I just looked up that about farmers doing their own killing, and are those regular occurrences? I couldnt find many saying they do it commonly. And you have to further consider that farm workers are more likely to be born and raised doing that kind of thing, rather than being your average abattoir employee just hoping for work, so they have a better mental predisposition thanks to it being normalised for them

I also just read that there was a whole movement pushed through in the last year to give farmers who kill their animals more mental health support and suicide preventative measures (the article then went on to argue about why it’s okay to protect the farmers in this way but not the slaughterhouse workers)

And I guess I used hyperbole, I knew as I re read my response claiming every worker kills hundreds every day might not be right. But the conversation is clearly about the frontline workers, the ones the initial argument revolves around, the ones most likely to get PTSD or PITS. And as I said, the environment they’re in exacerbates the problems, and the conditions only exist because of the nature of the work. Without killing animals, it wouldnt happen, and I see the two to be inextricably linked.

And as someone who has taxidermied animals in the past, I can tell you that the animal definitely still looks like an animal when skinned, just a bit more horror-esque.

The average amount of animals and people involved in the killing, and the number of people who would vicariously link themselves to the event is still very considerable and a huge part in the development of mental illnesses

I just think that your initial comment dismissing the traumas as byproducts of any factory/line assembly job is entirely erasing the nature and actual cause of why slaughterhouses damage peoples wellbeing so thoroughly.

hamvendor:

bigdoodoohead:

agro-carnist:

commiemartyrshighschool:

scoutandcowpany:

scoutandcowpany:

I think people need to acknowledge that PTSD in slaughterhouse workers is not because “:( they kill moo moos all day” and more because when you’re working with large meat cutting machines accidents happen

It’s the same as any manufacturing type job

And it’s not even close to one of the top professions discussed by experts when workplace PTSD is brought up

Go on a meat plant floor, you see people laughing and chatting while cutting meat

They’re just normal people doing their jobs prepping food

They deserve to be kept safe and absolutely no shortcuts should be taken when it comes to that but I’m just sick of peoples unrealistic idea of it

Yeah, the Jungle is much more about the terror of how the workers are treated rather than the fact animals die. Upton Sinclair was a leftist not an animal rights activist.

Yeah consider that slaughterhouse work is considered undesirable work and you’re spending long hours on your feet in a hot, noisy, smelly environment where you’re being exploited for your labor by owners of food corporations and thats where the bad mental health comes from and not because “if you see an animal die you will get ptsd”

Are you guys actually joking?

You dont get PTSD (or PITS, which is the more common trauma resulting from slaughterhouse work) that consistently from uncomfortable work conditions. It might be a contributing factor, but why are those two things way more prevalent in slaughterhouses than other dangerous line workers?

It is literally clinically proven and observed to be developed through repeated butchering and killing of animals on a mass intimate scale which is then exacerbated by poor work conditions. Yes, the conditions are also shit, but they are no shitter than other line factories which have much lower rates of PITS and lower rates of subsequent sexual and violent crime in their employees.

I get that shifting the blame away from yourselves and defending the slaughter industry is cool on this website, but some things you guys say are just so utterly ill-informed and ridiculous

Read the article below. It explains the effect slaughterhouses have had on communities, such as causing increases of sexual and violent crimes among the employees, and how many people jump from animal abuse to human abuse much more easily after they’ve been slaughtering animals for hours a day

Watch anecdotal evidence and interviews online, of people who have walked away from job interviews or first time visits to slaughterhouses. Find your own articles if you dont trust mine, I’m very confident you will find lots of evidence that the mental damage is mostly due to the murder and butchering aspect.

Also, shifting the blame to the conditions doesnt make the industry any less terrible, because the cold, the tools, the speed, and injury are all directly cause by the type of work they have to carry out. The cold is for the meat, the tools used are to carve and kill, the speed is because of the demand from the public to get these meat products on their plate. Theres also a high rate of staff turnover and of people skipping work at abertoirs, so much so that it’s simply considered characteristic by some. And you would be good to note that the ones who stay in the job longer, as in any profession that treats employees this horrendously, are usually immigrants or those with a poorer education and financial background.

Defending this industry is bizarre, and actively trying to deflect the fact it causes traumas because of the nature of the job is a level of industry shilling I find it very hard to comprehend. There are so many studies, stories, interviews and articles from people saying that killing hundreds of living things face to face isnt good for your mental health. I’ve put a few here, I hope you read and do some more research of your own.

Slaughterhouses are horrific places and cause PTSD, PITS, sexual abuse, violent crimes, even dual personality disorders and a variety of other issues. This happens because no human was ever meant or evolved to kill hundreds of animals a day, or butcher their carcasses in conditions specifically designed to do it at a fast pace, with poor conditions.

It is simply not humane or acceptable. The only way to combat it is to stop demanding it

A Call to Action: Psychological Harm in Slaughterhouse Workers

BY MICHAEL LEBWOHL Source: Watershed Post “Down in the blood pit they say that the smell of blood makes you aggressive. And it does. You get

Yale Global Health Review

The harrowing psychological toll of slaughterhouse work

‘You feel isolated from society, not a part of it. Alone.'

Metro

Slaughtering for a living: A hermeneutic phenomenological perspective on the well-being of slaughterhouse employees

Slaughterhouses constitute a unique work setting exposing employees to particular physical and psychological health challenges. Research tha

PubMed Central (PMC)

Literally no one’s arguing that killing hundreds of animals a day is good for your mental health lol

Yes, but the two comments above mine and some in the notes literally say the negatives are because of conditions and not the killing of animals

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